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Stan Lee vs. Chris Claremont. Who contributed more to X-Men?
Stan Lee created the X-Men with Jack Kirby, it’s true. He created Prof X., Jean Grey, Cyclops, Archangel, Iceman and Beast, and Juggernaut with Jack Kirby. Stan Lee also created Magneto with Jack Kirby though some say that it was Chris Claremont who did much to develop the character.
Chris Claremont created the following characters:
Rogue – created by Chris Claremont and Michael Golden
Gambit – created by Chris Claremont and Jim Lee
Psylocke – created by Chris Claremont and Herb Trimpe
Cannonball – created by Chris Claremont and BobMcLeod
Kitty – created by Chris Claremont and John Byrne
Jubilee – created by Chris Claremont and Marc Silvestri
Mystique – created by Chris Claremont and Jim Mooney
Mr Sinster – created by Chris Claremont and Marc Silvestri
White Queen – created by Chris Claremont and John Byrne
Sabretooth – created by Chris Claremont and John Byrne
Claremont and Byrne also did much to develop wolverine into the character he is today.
It’s got to be Claremont. He took a failed title and turned it into the #1 franchise.
Big deal if Lee invented a few characters…they weren’t that original (check out Doom Patrol and many other titles) and Claremont would have done just as well from scratch.
In fact if you read the early X-Men, the writing is atrocious.
Claremont brought personalities to the characters…they were no longer just the caricatures that were common from the golden and silver ages. He brought complex storylines to the title, but they were engaging, not just “long”.
His only real problem is trying to out-do himself…and too many revisions to history to get it done. Phoenix effectively killed Emma Frost and Mastermind, but they were brought back. The original Phoenix concept was terrific, but then it changed to Dark Phoenix…wh/ was acceptable. Finally that was even trashed by having Phoenix be an energy being.
Lee was said to have changed comics in the 60s and 70s, but his work never matched his vision. He had alot going for him (demographics) but in the end, he mostly just created new titles that were written like the old ones.
Claremont changed comics in a lasting way: they started telling stories. And this was in an era where people were cynical, the demographics worked against him, and new media were presenting much competition.
Claremont hands down.
Stan Lee on Jack Kirby
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